How does Wing Chun deal with ground fighting?

by Edwin
(New York - United States)

How do Wing Chun fighters deal with ground fighting?

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Answer: In my opinion most Wing Chun fighters don't deal with it well. The reason is a lack of practice.

My sifu said once, "...there's already enough for you to master in Wing Chun itself that there isn't much time left to master grappling or ground fighting too..."

In any case, I'd rather be a great striker than a great ground fighter.

It's safer and more effective, especially on the street.

However, if you want to learn more about grappling and get better at it fast, Check this out.

If you grapple with someone bigger or stronger than you, you're in trouble or dumb. If you have to defend yourself against more than one attacker there's no strategic advantage in dropping to the ground.

As a striker, especially a Wing Chun fighter, you can do maximum damage with minimal force. Plus, you're on your feet and can flee if it's strategically better to do so.

I often hear MMA, BJJ, and other ground fighting martial artists justify ground fighting by saying something like, "...30% of all fights end up on the ground..."

I always reply, "...100% of all fights start standing up."

Learning ground fighting is important

I think it's worth it to learn some ground fighting techniques in addition to your Wing Chun training.

A past student at my club studied a lot of grappling and ground fighting styles. His reason: "I don't want to freak out if I get taken down or accidentally fall or slip..."

We don't often practice grappling or anti-grappling techniques at my kwoon. But when we do I like to really get into it (it's a great workout in any case).

The dynamics are different, your body has to move very differently, strategies are different. It's a chance to learn new muscle memory applied to ground fighting. Plus, I don't want to freak out either if some dummy tries to tackle me or dive for my legs.

Most Wing Chun fighters don't practice enough to know how to deal, evade, or take advantage of a ground fighting opportunity. And that's too bad.

But I pity the fool who tries to go to the ground with a solid Wing Chun fighter. There are no rules, right? That ground fighter will have to deal with eye gouges, blown ear drums, explosive attacks to the neck and throat, even biting.

I recommend any Wing Chun fighter to learn at least basic ground fighting skills. If you're lucky your kwoon (like mine) will have ground fighting as applied to Wing Chun along with locks, breaks, sweeps, and take downs as finishing moves.

At the very least, knowing how to fall and roll is an important skill for your overall health and well-being

Before Wing Chun I practiced Aikido and knowing how to fall and roll saved my butt in many occasions that had nothing to do with martial arts.

One time as I rode my bicycle home on the sidewalk, a truck popped out from an alley and slammed right into my side sending me sailing into the middle of the street.

Because I had muscle memory about "flying" and rolling out of it I ended up with a few scrapes and a hairline fracture on one finger. That's it.

I was actually able to ride my twisted bike home and get medical attention (that's the beauty of endorphins).

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Apr 29, 2011
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Hmmm
by: Anonymous

The UFC has shown that the best reason to be good at wrestling is to learn how to avoid to getting taken to the ground. All he reasons you listed about why standing is superior to groundfighting (the ability to run, the disadvantage of grappling with a stronger fighter, etc.) are actually to reasons why you MUST train your grappling.

May 01, 2011
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Wing Chun and Ground fighting (Re: Hmmm) by Rob@WingChunLife
by: Anonymous

I think we agree. Ground fighting is a good thing to train. Also remember there's a big difference with fighting in a ring (or competition) and fighting on the street.

Along with all the evasive counter-attacks already mentioned above (which are all illegal in competition) you can also attack the spine, base of of the skull, base of the neck, etc. Also not allowed in a competition.

If you, or your opponent, attempt to ground fight you create many vulnerable openings. Be aware of that.


May 04, 2011
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Falling in Wing Chun and Ground Fighting
by: Anonymous

Couldn't agree w/ you more about falling. I took 2 semesters of judo in college prior to wing chun and I've managed to not hurt myself the times I've fallen, either related to martial arts or just being a clumsy oaf. I actually reply Judo when asked which martial arts is the most practical. I get puzzled looks until I explain to them learning how to fall can save your life or at least major injury and then ask them how many times they've fallen vs. how many times they've been in a fight. Unless you're a trouble maker or live in a really bad area, you fall way more than you fight. If your "normal" that is ; )

May 04, 2011
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Re: Falling in Wing Chun and Ground Fighting
by: Rob@WingChunLife

I like that..."you fall way more than you fight." I'd say that's true for the typical martial arts fan or enthusiast.

If you're a pro or heavy competitor that could be a different story.

In fact, I'm planning on having my kids take some Aikido, maybe a year or so, just so they learn to fall and roll. Judo wouldn't be bad either...

In the meantime, they got to get the Wing Chun basics down :-)

Jul 21, 2011
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UFC 1-4 No Rules
by: Anonymous

These "rules" you are talking about are put in now. Back then when they were trying to find out the best "style" there were no rules research before you answer. Yes groin shots, eye gouge, spine strikes. You name it it was allowed look it up. and Yes royce garcie beaten all. I alot of these strikes lose power when you on the ground.........

Jul 21, 2011
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Re: UFC 1-4 No Rules
by: Rob@WingChunLife

The early days of the UFC were awesome! Royce in his gi and Ken suffering all kinds of pain... that was a great era.

That was true mixed martial arts. Style against style.

Nothing wrong with UFC today... but we'll probably never see a repeat of the old days again.

Dec 08, 2011
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Get good at grappling
by: Rob @ WingChunLife

By the way, this is great resource for polishing your ground fighting game - fast!

http://www.wingchunlife.com/grapplers.html

Dec 19, 2012
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Ground Fighting and Grappling is ESSENTIAL
by: Martin

it's more 90% end up on the ground due to brawling.

Ground fighting is ESSENTIAL.

You don;t have to master it. You DO need to be able to do it even if it's just 3 basic moves.

Dec 20, 2012
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Re: Ground Fighting and Grappling is ESSENTIAL
by: Rob@WingChunLife

Martin - What would you say are the three basic grappling moves one should know?

Rob


Oct 14, 2017
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jiujitsu
by: Anonymous

They deal with it by getting choked out in a matter of seconds.

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